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Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years, 1 month ago #3111

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It's interesting to know that a project by the name of Panaroma located next to Hampshire Residence will be launching soon, and it is not by the developer, by a group who is the en bloc buyer and they wish to resell now!

The original developer was selling at Rm1100 per sq ft, now this group is going to sell RM1500 per sq ft!!!!

Its next door Hamsphire Residence is newly handed over and the price has fallen to about RM700 per sq ft! Even 2Hamphire Residence also dropped to RM750 level.

Who will buy Panaroma at RM1500 per sq ft at this moment?

Even The Regent Residence (next to K Residence) which is selling at RM2800 per sq ft will not build in near future.

Four Season, all the plant and machinery have been removed from the site!

Platinum Park, supposed to launch in this year. i think they will keep in view.

Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years, 1 month ago #3122

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I agree with your thoughts .I also add to your entry about 2Hampshire that 2Hampshire has already fallen FAR further than 750psf that you indicate.(I think 750psf is a dream for sellers now as the last sale is far below that and I don't mean 10% less, I mean a lot less!)I don't like to say as some readers may own it!I am sure an agent would tell you how low it went!But really most blocks are in trouble as you know and 2Hamp or Hamp Res are just going the way of most KLCC blocks.The trend is down !

I heard also that the Wing tai block in Bukit Ceylon may be launching at 1000psf!Crazy or what!I have no idea who would pay these prices in a down market.

But what do i know!

Good luck

Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years, 1 month ago #3123

Talking about KLCC condos, i'd like to share my survey here:

I categorize those completed and under construction KLCC condos into the following areas:

Area 1 - K Residence, Meritz Residence
Area 2 - Hampshire Residence, Panaroma, 2Hampshire, Hampshire Place, Hampshire Park, MyHabitat
Area 3 - The Binjai, Stonor Park, Duo Residency, Park 7, Suria Stonor, Binjai Residency, Troika, Oval, Avare, Desa Kudalari
Area 4 - Marc Residence, Park View, One KL, Idaman Residence, 168 Residence, Kia Peng and Kirana

Hampshire Park, Kirana, Desa Kudalari and Kia Peng are considered old condos.

New projects in the plan include Four Season, The Regent, Platinum Park, The Pearl, Ampersand.

Projects in the pipeline are
1) next to K Residence by Wing Tai Group,
2) Opposite to One KL-Twin Towers by TA Group,
3) next to Binjai Residency by Lum Chang Group,
4) next to Ampang Park by Parkville comapny
5) next to Stonor Park by Tan & Tan
6) along Jln Yap Kwan Seng by Bolton

Let's look at the occupancy rate of those new condos, the top 3 are Park 7,Duo Residency and Binjai Residency. These 3 condos have achieved more than 50% so far. while the rest are still below 40%! The source of this info is from the management of the respective condos. That means Area 3 is in higher demand than the rest. According to some agents, the tenants prefer to choose this area is mainly due to the sense of residential feel, low density and better KLCC view at this moment. It may be spoilt by Platinum Park which consists of serviced apartments, hotel and office towers in the future.

Area 1, many Avenue K's tenants have moved out and hardly see any visitor in the shopping area except the LRT station at lower floor. K Residence, the few fire sales have caused the price dropped to below RM1000 per sq ft. The lowest is RM800 per sq ft.

Area 2, the highest density, the rental rate is also competitive. Hampshire Residence, many UK buyers are desperate to sell. They bought at RM900+. The UK agent repackaged the selling price by marking up additional RM200+ per sq ft. Now, they are willing to sell at their entry price, some even sell below the entry price but still can make a gain in currency. No surpise if we can se the price dropping to the level of RM600-RM650 per sq ft in near future. So wonder how this Panaroma going to sell at RM1500 per sq ft soon? what the agent will tell the investors about investment value?


As for Area 4, Marc Residence and Park View, too close to the clubbing zone! Many 2nd hand buyers regret to invest in Marc Residence by paying RM1200-RM1400 per sq ft in 2007. Now, some of their units are still vacant and the price also dropped to RM900 to RM1000 per sq ft. Those units facing Glomac Building will suffer long term vacancy. Idaman Residence, just handed over the keys and 3 units of smallest built-up have been transacted in secodary market with the lowest price of Rm870 per sq ft. It's expected to see the price falling further to RM750-RM850 per sq ft in near future.

KLCC condos are only for those buyers who wish to own the prestige, not for investor anymore! The rental rate has dropped to RM4 per sq ft, how do you expect the price can go up to more than RM1000 per sq ft?

Four Season will not launch due to some problems in the management, The Regent has no intention to start work. So those who have paid 10% and signed SNP will get refund. May be will get compensation as well! Platinum Park, they are still wondering! Wing Tai will not go ahead with its new project next to K Residence but they will launch Verticas at Bkt Ceylon with starting price of RM1000 per sq ft instead of RM1200 per sq ft.

Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years, 1 month ago #3127

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Ng Hong Ming

Thanks for your answer about rental guarantees in relation to hotel or resort suites. It makes sense. From the very little I know about this, I would imagine that the devil would be in the detail. To make such an investment pay off you would need to be very comfortable that the management has a significant interest in making the hotel or resort suite make lots of money.


Property Insider

Excellent post. In your estimation, looking your four areas combined (1, 2, 3 and 4) do you estimate the current vacancy rate to be around 70%? Given the supply we have of KLCC condos how many months or years do you think it will take for vacancy levels in the condos that you mention to get to around 30%?


Thanks
Asim

Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years, 1 month ago #3141

Dear Asim,

If combine the 4 areas i mentioned, i don't think the market vacancy rate will be less than 50% in the next 3 years! KLCC condos are only for those who wish to own a prestige! As for income producing purpose, better source for other areas!

The market price of KLCC completed condo is in the range of RM700-RM900 per sq ft now. Except One KL still asking for RM2000 per sq ft!

Recently, the selling price of Swiss Garden Residence located at Jalan Pudu, has increased to RM900-Rm1000 per sq ft compared to what they were selling at RM600-RM700 per sq ft in 2008. Setia's Sky Residence also selling at RM800 per sq ft!
Wonder who will buy and why?

Re:Is it right time to enter KLCC condo market now? 3 years ago #3251

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Property Insider and anyone else

Reading the news it seems as though Malaysia may have bottomed. The KLCI is doing well, China seems to have bottomed and is propping up the region, and there are early signs that the US economy is stabilising. Globally the banking sector seems to have gone through the worst.

Let's say that Malaysia start recovering in the 2nd half of the year. Let's say it's a gradual recovery.

In such a scenario, where would the KLCC condo market fit in in all of this? Would the KLCC suddenly see increase in prices, or would it continue its downward spiral as the rest of the market picks up?

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